intel to go bga only on cpu,s

[MajorGrave]

hi all. just wondered what everyones thoughts were on the rumours about intel only offering soldered on chips from 2014 a lot on the net and in pc magazines at the mo. hope its not true also there are rumours that amd could be in trouble what a boost it would be for them if it was true.

 

[genozide]

I'd rather they were both competing on the same market. It's like a good love hate relationship. Monopolys suck as when there's no competition prices go up so if one gets the upper hand, then crashes the other to be alone in a market they wouldn't have to compete in price/quality fashion but the consumer would get hurt.

It can be hard to tell what happens in near future. Who'd have known amd would have merged with ati back in the day? Or microsoft get involded with Razer?
Heard some rumour about high-end gpus being integrated into cpus to make the separate graphics cards obsolete but i doubt that.. 3D screens didn't expand with a boom either..
In hard times companies can change, emerge or disappear but in the end the consumer shows the way to what gets popular. At least i hope so.

 

[Sweney]

i read its just a rumor like the pc magf i was reading said what if just the mobo or cpu goes who takes the hit on the replacement. it wouldnt make sence to solder them in as a batched set it goes against everything that pcs stand for and its just a rumor.

 

[chip247]

i saw an intel bignob deny this in a interview

 

[AndyS40]

i read its just a rumor like the pc magf i was reading said what if just the mobo or cpu goes who takes the hit on the replacement. it wouldnt make sence to solder them in as a batched set it goes against everything that pcs stand for and its just a rumor.

Even if there was any truth in this what would happen if the consumer wanted to upgrade at a later point, plus the amount of different mobo's out there + Intel cpu's which would require many different tooling techinques, ok maybe in the lower end
But not hi end gaming rig's

Bahhhh load of Poo!

 

[samoz83]

It will happen in the end, maybe as Andy says maybe not in the top end but definitely at some point in entry level

 

[genozide]

I'd be a bit more pessimistic too. If a thing been going on that works in the corporate world they change it to go into a evil loop of failures they promote so all others suffer but the shareholders.
And when it's been milked dry they move on to the new grounds through a parachute contract and get away with ruining the world bit by bit (pun intended)..

Shield of bureacracy holds and upper class gets new toys.

 

[_MiNi_]

Even BGAs can be socketed ! They are expensive atm and fairly specialised, but if Intel went that way the price of BGA sockets would drop.
Intel prob want to go BGA in order to use flip chip where the die I/O pads are bonded directly out....I.e the BGA solder balls are the actual die I/O....for high speed signals this would cut down the wirebond lead parasitics ie. inductance, capacitance and resistance.

 

[samoz83]

Even BGAs can be socketed

Well they can be but I doubt Intel would go that way for lower end machines (Or are you implying you could solder a new chip on yourself lol)

 

[_MiNi_]

Well I can and have done SOICs and QFPs. Caps and resistors I can comfortably do down to 0603 with my regular eyes but 0402 ( 4mm x 2mm) I need to use the Mantis, its like a microscope but for PCB rework,
BGA removal is easy peasy with a hot air gun and appropriate nozle for the package size...(Only prob is that a BGA needs to be re-balled after removal)
But to solder a BGA onto a board is pretty specialist and generally requires an X-ray machine to inspect the joints for opens, shorts or dry joints....So we usually farm that work out

TDR....No, I canne do BGAs but I know a man wot can

 

[samoz83]

Ah okay lol but for the normal user it's a bit of a no go area compared to replacing a LGA cpu then lmao

 

[_MiNi_]

Defo.... but as I said we have sockets to place BGAs on a board....but they are like £3,000 worth O.O and not really designed to take a fan.... (http://www.ironwoodelectronics.com/...ets_list.cfm?gclid=CMfPk-yogrUCFVM72wodqzMAZA)

I could see WHY Intel would want to go BGA for high end processors and laptop motherboards maybe, but for home or gaming PCs i cant see it happening, if they did they would more or less hand the gaming PC market over to AMD with such a decision...But meh....what do I know..They are Intel...they are slightly bigger than me :/

 

[MajorGrave]

rumours spread quick on the net so who knows there is a lot about broadwell being a mobile chip anyway then after that back to normal again guess have to wait and see.